Legislature(2003 - 2004)

02/04/2003 01:34 PM House FIN

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                   HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                      February 04, 2003                                                                                         
                          1:34 P.M.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
TAPE HFC 03 - 10, Side A                                                                                                        
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CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Harris  called the House  Finance Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at 1:34 P.M.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative John Harris, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Bill Williams, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Kevin Meyer, Vice-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Eric Croft                                                                                                       
Representative Richard Foster                                                                                                   
Representative Mike Hawker                                                                                                      
Representative Carl Moses                                                                                                       
Representative Gary Stevens                                                                                                     
Representative Bill Stoltze                                                                                                     
Representative Jim Whitaker                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bruce  Weyhrauch; Representative  Kelly Wolf;                                                                    
Cheryl Frasca,  Director, Division  of Management  & Budget,                                                                    
Office  of the  Governor;  Jeff  Jesse,  Executive Director,                                                                    
Alaska  Mental Health  Trust Authority;  Phil  Younker, Sr.,                                                                    
Alaska Mental  Health Trust  Authority Board  Member; Nelson                                                                    
Page,  Chair-Budget Committee,  Alaska  Mental  Health Trust                                                                    
Authority   Board   Member;   Stephen  Planchon,   Executive                                                                    
Director, Alaska Mental health Trust Land Office, Department                                                                    
of Natural Resources; Dan Fauske, Executive Director, Alaska                                                                    
Housing  Finance Corporation,  Department of  Revenue; Bryan                                                                    
Butcher,   Legislative  Liaison,   Alaska   Housing  Finance                                                                    
Corporation,  Department of  Revenue;  Joseph  Dubler, Chief                                                                    
Financial Officer/Finance  Director, Alaska  Housing Finance                                                                    
Corporation, Department of Revenue.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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HB  75-APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET/LOANS/FUNDS                                                                                   
HB  76-APPROP:MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                      Agency Overviews:                                                                                       
         Alaska Mental Health Trust Authority (AMHTA)                                                                         
          Alaska Housing Finance Corporation (AHFC)                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
The following overview was taken in log note format.  Tapes                                                                     
and handouts will be on file with the House Finance                                                                             
Committee through the 23rd Legislative Session, contact 465-                                                                    
2156. After the 23rd Legislative Session they will be                                                                           
available through the Legislative Library at 465-3808.                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 LOG SPEAKER                DISCUSSION                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                            TAPE HFC 03 - 10, SIDE A                                                                       
 000 Co-Chair Harris        Convened the House Finance Committee                                                                
                            meeting at 1:45 P.M.                                                                              
 114 Representative         Requested that Representative Kelly Wolf                                                            
      Stoltze               be seated at the Committee table.                                                                 
 160 Co-Chair Harris                                                                                                            
                            HOUSE BILL NO. 75                                                                                 
                            "An Act making appropriations for the                                                               
                            operating and loan program expenses of                                                              
                            state government, for certain programs,                                                             
                            and to capitalize funds; making                                                                     
                            appropriations under art. IX, sec. 17(c),                                                           
                            Constitution of the State of Alaska, from                                                           
                            the constitutional budget reserve fund;                                                             
                            and providing for an effective date."                                                               
                            Co-Chair Harris noted that HB 75 was                                                                
                            before the Committee for review by the                                                              
                            Office of Management and Budget.                                                                  
 222 CHERYL FRASCA,         Explained and highlighted the handout.                                                              
      DIRECTOR, DIVISION    (Copy on File).                                                                                     
      OF MANAGEMENT &                                                                                                           
                               · Page 1 - total funds appropriations                                                            
      BUDGET, OFFICE OF                                                                                                         
                                 by funding source since FY1992 in                                                              
      THE GOVERNOR                                                                                                              
                                 the Operating and the Capital                                                                  
                                 budgets.  General fund spending has                                                            
                                 remained constant since FY95.  The                                                             
                                 federal funding has doubled in the                                                             
                                 State.                                                                                         
                               · Page 2 - Outlines the Operating                                                                
                                 budget since FY92.  The general fund                                                           
                                 is approximately 2/3 of the current                                                            
                                 budget.                                                                                        
                               · Page 3 - Indicates the Operating                                                               
                                 budget versus the formula Programs                                                             
                                 since FY92- the general funds and                                                              
                                 the other State funds;                                                                       
                              · Page 4 - Formula growth by fund                                                                 
                                 source since FY99 through FY03.  She                                                           
                                 noted that federal funds fuel the                                                              
                                 operating budget.                                                                              
                              · Page 5 - Provides a recap of all the                                                            
                                 formula program changes during the                                                             
                                 past five years.  The biggest                                                                  
                                 changes are to the Longevity Bonus                                                             
                                 Program, which has decreased 25%.                                                              
                                 She listed other decreases.  Ms.                                                               
                                 Frasca pointed out the 99% increase                                                            
                                 to the Medicaid program since 1993.                                                            
                              · Page 6 - FY03 total funds operating                                                             
                               budget of $6.5 billion dollars by                                                                
                              program category.  The All funds are                                                              
                              listed by program category.  The                                                                  
                              Department of Health and Social                                                                   
                              Services consumes 23% of the entire                                                               
                              operating budget.                                                                                 
                              · Page 7 - FY03 Operating budget: $5.2                                                            
                                 billion all funds (except Permanent                                                            
                                 Fund) by an appropriation                                                                      
                                 categories.  She noted the amount                                                              
                                 for Personal services category.  The                                                           
                                 amount that goes to grants consumes                                                            
                                 27% of the budget; personal services                                                           
                                 amounts to 27% of the budget by                                                                
                                 contracts.                                                                                     
                              · Page 8 - FY03 General Fund operating                                                            
                                 budget categories: $2.2 billion                                                                
                                 general funds only by program                                                                  
                                 category.  She noted that education                                                            
                                 consumes 35% of that budget and that                                                           
                                 budget is primarily formula driven.                                                            
                                 The Governor's priority is to                                                                  
                                 minimize the impact on the public of                                                           
                                 the reductions to services.  Ms.                                                               
                                 Frasca noted that was the challenge                                                            
                                 being faced by the new                                                                         
                                 Administration.  As a result the                                                               
                                 budget is not currently available                                                              
                                 and that they are attempting to have                                                           
                                 the budget available by February                                                               
                                   th                                                                                           
                                25.                                                                                             
                              · Page 9 - Provides the FY02                                                                      
                                 authorized/fiscal year 2003                                                                    
                                 authorized fiscal summary.  She                                                                
                                 noted that there are approximately                                                             
                                 $40 million dollars of proposed                                                                
                                 increases to the formula driven                                                                
                                 programs, about $55 million dollars                                                            
                                 in increased debt service costs,                                                             
                                 approximately $85 million dollars to                                                           
                                 replace lost one time monies, $39                                                              
                                 million from lost federal funds, $19                                                           
                                 million dollars to replace non                                                                 
                                 general fund sources and an increase                                                           
                                 request by the University.                                                                   
 1232 Ms. Frasca            Admitted that those needs and costs need                                                            
                            to be balanced.                                                                                   
 1321 Co-Chair Harris       Asked to have a zero line budget, the                                                               
                            State will need to reduce spending by                                                               
                            $159 million dollars.  Ms. Frasca replied                                                           
                            that would be the scenario with a flat                                                              
                            budget.                                                                                           
 1342 Representative        Asked if there had been statutory                                                                   
      Stoltze               recommendations at present time.                                                                  
 1357 Ms. Frasca            Replied that the goal was not to present                                                            
                            a budget that depends upon statutory                                                                
                            changes.                                                                                          
 1417 Representative        Asked if it was foreseeable that the                                                                
      Stoltze               Administration would be making                                                                      
                            recommendations for statutory changes.                                                              
                            Ms. Frasca replied it was probable.                                                               
 1451 Representative Croft  Referenced Page 9, noting that Habitat                                                              
                            was still in the Department of Fish and                                                             
                            Game, not Department of Natural                                                                     
                            Resources.                                                                                        
 1516 Ms. Frasca            Responded that was the FY03 management                                                              
                            plan approved by the Legislature last                                                               
                            session.  It has not been rewritten to                                                              
                            reflect the current proposal for FY04.                                                            
 1526 Representative Croft  Summarized that what was being overviewed                                                           
                            was the FY03 budget.                                                                              
 1533 Representative Croft  Referenced Page 1 & 2 of the handout.  He                                                           
                            noted the general fund and operating                                                                
                            funds and asked if they were inflation-                                                             
                            adjusted numbers.                                                                                 
 1616 Ms. Frasca            Replied that they are 'raw' numbers.                                                              
 1628 Representative Croft  State that those numbers would not keep                                                             
                            up with inflation.                                                                                
 1641 Ms. Frasca            Stated that it would not reflect "buying                                                            
                            power".                                                                                           
 1650 Representative Croft Noted that the numbers did not reflect                                                               
                            any increase in the State's population.                                                             
                            He thought that numbers was approximately                                                           
                            600.                                                                                              
 1704 Ms. Frasca            The chart shows the amount appropriated                                                             
                            by the Legislature last year.                                                                     
 1720 Representative Croft The graph indicated that the graph shows                                                             
                            mostly federal funds.                                                                             
 1746 Co-Chair Harris       Noted that the bill would be HELD in                                                                
                            Committee for further consideration.                                                              
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                            ALASKA MENTAL HEALTH TRUST AUTHORITY                                                            
                            (AMHTA)                                                                                        
1832 PHIL YOUNKER, SR.,                                                                                                         
                            HOUSE BILL NO. 76                                                                                 
      ALASKA MENTAL HEALTH "An Act making appropriations for the                                                                
      TRUST AUTHORITY       operating expenses of the state's                                                                   
      BOARD MEMBER          integrated comprehensive mental health                                                              
                            program; and providing for an effective                                                             
                            date."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                            Mr. Younker introduced the members of his                                                           
                            group, Nelson Page, Steve Planchon and                                                              
                            Jeff Jesse.                                                                                       
2001 JEFF JESSE,            Distributed the handout.  (Copy on File).                                                           
      EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, He spoke to the history of the Alaska                                                                 
      ALASKA MENTAL HEALTH Mental Health Trust Authority (AMHTA).                                                               
      TRUST AUTHORITY       In the times of territorial Alaska, if a                                                            
                            person had any type of disability, and                                                              
                            could not make it with the support of                                                               
                            family and or church and came to the                                                                
                            attention of the territorial officials,                                                             
                            that person was tried and convicted of                                                              
                            being an "insane person at large".  When                                                            
                            statehood was being discussed, then the                                                             
                            state would then have had to take over                                                              
                            this responsibility.  There was no means                                                            
                            of support at that time.  Within a few                                                              
                            years, a three-prong strategy was created                                                           
                            to work out the problem.  The first was                                                             
                            an initial appropriation of $8 million                                                              
                            dollars that built the first wing of                                                                
                            Alaska Psychiatric Institute (API) and                                                              
                            bought the original Harborview.                                                                     
                            Additionally, there was some federal                                                                
                            operating support.  The third part was to                                                           
                            allow the State to select acres of land                                                             
                            to hold a trust to generate income to pay                                                           
                            for mental health services.  The State                                                              
                            did a good job of choosing the land.                                                                
                            It was well chosen land.  As the State                                                              
                            grew, mental health services increased.                                                             
                            Unfortunately, the State then took that                                                             
                            million acres and rolled it into their                                                              
                            100 million acre federal entitlement and                                                            
                            treated it all like general state lands.                                                            
                            Half of that land was removed into                                                                  
                            federal trust status. When the local                                                                
                            governments were able to select State                                                               
                            land, they selected mental health trust                                                             
                            lands.  He admitted that was a problem.                                                             
                            It took three years and then in 1982, the                                                           
                            original lawsuit was filed.  By 1985, it                                                            
                            went to the Alaska Supreme Court who                                                                
                            ruled that the land must be returned.                                                             
2428 MR. JESSE              Referenced Page 2, which listed the key                                                           
                            terms of that Court settlement.                                                                     
                               · Trust authority free to use Trust                                                              
                                 resources to act as a catalyst for                                                             
                                 change;                                                                                        
                               · Trust authority funding                                                                        
                                 recommendations considered in a                                                                
                                 single appropriation bill;                                                                     
                               · Trust authority to aid in                                                                      
                                 comprehensive planning for mental                                                              
                                 health program;                                                                                
                               · Mental Health Trust Lands and                                                                  
                                 associated state lands released for                                                            
                                 development.                                                                                 
 2541 Mr. Jesse             Claimed that AMHTA is proud of the land                                                             
                            office.  He recapped the beneficiaries:                                                             
                               · People with mental illness                                                                     
                               · People with developmental                                                                      
                                 disabilities                                                                                   
                               · People with Alcoholism/other                                                                   
                                 addictions;                                                                                    
                               · People with Alzheimer's disease 7                                                              
                                 other dementia.                                                                              
 2613 Mr. Jesse             Referenced those people with traumatic                                                              
                            brain injuries that are also                                                                        
                            beneficiaries of the Trust.  The Board                                                              
                            will work with the Alaska Traumatic Brain                                                           
                            Injury Advisory Board.                                                                            
 2705 Mr. Younker           Referenced Page 3, Land and Resources.                                                              
                            When the settlement actually came, the                                                              
                            Trust received 994,000 acres, managed for                                                           
                            the long-term.                                                                                      
                            He listed the breakdown of the lands:                                                               
                               · Fee estate                                                                                     
                               · Mineral estate                                                                                 
                               · Coal, Oil & Gas                                                                              
 2842 Mr. Younker           Continued, highlighting the revenue from                                                            
                            the Trust land office and how the                                                                   
                            operating and capital expenditures versus                                                           
                            the revenue earned. That budget is broken                                                           
                            into two portions, Capital expenditure                                                              
                            and the Operating.                                                                                
 3001 Mr. Younker           Referenced Page 5, 2002 Alaska Business                                                             
                            Monthly TOP 49 by $ per employee                                                                    
                            operations.  The Trust land office with                                                             
                            just nine employees, ranks #7 on the                                                                
                            chart.  He compared that to some Native                                                             
                            Corporations that have some large land                                                              
                            holdings.                                                                                         
 3050 Mr. Younker           The chart on Page 5 also indicated the                                                              
                            value from 1996 versus 2002.                                                                      
3110 Mr. Younker            The pay out rate changed from 1996 at 3%                                                            
                            to 3.5% in 2002. The Trust is designed to                                                           
                            'self-inflate'.  That is why a little                                                               
                            less than 5% is paid out.                                                                         
3136 Mr. Younker            Noted that the system is that there is a                                                            
                            4-year payout.  Currently at 2 years.                                                               
                            Added additional policy to insure                                                                 
3222 Mr. Younker            Referenced Page 6, Trust FY04 and the                                                               
                            Trust Major Accomplishments.  The general                                                           
                            fund mental health base amounts to                                                                  
                            $134.400 million dollars.  The alcohol                                                              
                            tax, which was added last year, $3.6                                                                
                            million dollars was committed in last                                                               
                           year's budget.                                                                                     
3350 NELSON PAGE, CHAIR-Referenced the handout.  (Copy on File).                                                                
      BUDGET COMMITTEE,     He highlighted the accomplishments of the                                                           
      ALASKA MENTAL HEALTH first six years.                                                                                     
      TRUST AUTHORITY                                                                                                           
                              · Closure of the Harborview                                                                       
      BOARD MEMBER                                                                                                              
                                 Developmental Center in Valdez.  For                                                           
                                 years the State had been trying to                                                             
                                 find a way to close that center.                                                               
                                 When closing down an institution,                                                              
                                 there is a period of time with there                                                           
                                 are two sets of bills that need to                                                             
                                 be paid.  The Trust ended up coming                                                            
                                 forward and paying 1/2 of those                                                                
                                 bills.  The State then spent their                                                             
                                 money on new programs.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
3635 Mr. Page               Continued listing the accomplishments:                                                              
                              · API.  For years, everyone knew that                                                             
                                 API needed to be replaced.  The                                                                
                                 Trust helped with the change.  API                                                             
                                 was on Trust land.  The system                                                                 
                                 involved what a new API building                                                               
                                 would look like and that system                                                                
                                 currently is in place.                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
3820 Mr. Page               Provided another example:                                                                           
                              · The Fort Knox Gold mine.  The Trust                                                             
                                 was able to collect some revenue and                                                           
                                 at the same time, there was an                                                                 
                                 opportunity to have permits to make                                                            
                                 the site a regional mill site.  That                                                           
                                 created a place for milling.                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
3942 Mr. Page               Referenced Handout 1, Page 7, noting that                                                           
                            the Trust works in conjunction with the                                                             
                            Four Advisory Boards.  The four boards                                                              
                            help to create the Mental Health Budget                                                             
                            bill to determine the needs of the                                                                
                            beneficiaries.                                                                                      
                               · Alaska Mental Health Board                                                                     
                               · Governor's Council on Disabilities &                                                           
                                 Special Education                                                                              
                               · Advisory Board on Alcoholism & Drug                                                            
                                 Abuse                                                                                          
                               · Alaska Commission on Aging                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
 4135 Mr. Page              Comprehensive Integrated Mental Health                                                              
                            Plan provides for Department of Health &                                                            
                            Social Services and AMHTA  be responsible                                                           
                            for preparation of a plan for an                                                                    
                            integrated comprehensive mental health                                                              
                            program that is coordinated with federal,                                                           
                            state, regional, local and private                                                                  
                            entities involved in mental health                                                                  
                            services.                                                                                         
 4220 Mr. Page              Listed the result-based planning areas:                                                             
                            Health, safety, economic security and                                                               
                            living with dignity.                                                                              
 4233 Mr. Jesse             Stated that the priorities are the result                                                           
                            based planning concerns that are building                                                           
                            infrastructure and creating workforce                                                               
                            development.                                                                                      
 4340 Mr. Jesse             Listed the prior collaborations.                                                                    
                               · API 2000 - Anchorage Emergency                                                                 
                                 Services                                                                                       
                               · Assisted Living Rate Increase                                                                  
                               · Medicaid Options                                                                               
                               · Women's Mental Health Unit in                                                                  
                                 Department of Corrections                                                                      
                               · Closure of Harborview                                                                          
                               · Suicide Prevention Council                                                                     
                               · Alcohol Evaluation                                                                           
 4500 Mr. Jesse             Noted that the Trust had split a $200                                                               
                            thousand dollar study costs to determine                                                            
                            the results of alcohol treatment                                                                    
                            programs.  He advised that good results                                                             
                            need to happen from those investments.                                                            
 4548 Mr. Jesse             API/Anchorage Emergency System.  He noted                                                           
                            that AMHTA was being pushed into the                                                                
                            'corner' to build a larger hospital was                                                             
                            because Anchorage was using API as a                                                                
                            short-term psychiatric facility.  In                                                                
                            other parts of the State, they do not do                                                            
                            that.  The Trust worked with U.S. Senator                                                           
                            Stevens to develop a hospital for                                                                   
                            Anchorage.  The first job was to create a                                                           
                            single point of entry. In Anchorage, the                                                            
                            police officers have to access the people                                                         
                            that they pick up.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                            TAPE HFC 03 - 10, Side B                                                                        
4659 Mr. Jesse              Added that with the help of the federal                                                             
                            monies, a single point of entry was                                                                 
                            created for detoxing.  A 24-hour nursing                                                            
                            coverage was also provided with the                                                                 
                            federal money.  He stressed that there                                                              
                            must be an emergency system within                                                                  
                            Anchorage to address these concerns and                                                             
                            the federal money is going away.  There                                                             
                            is a scheduled cycle to address this and                                                            
                            over the years those federal dollars have                                                           
                            been replaced with general fund dollars.                                                          
4501 Mr. Jesse              Spoke to the Alcohol Fund Package.                                                                  
                              · Alcohol Tax increased in 2002                                                                   
                              · Alaska Legislature committed one-                                                               
                                 half of the alcohol tax revenue to                                                             
                                 be set aside for alcohol prevention                                                            
                                 and treatment                                                                                  
                              · $3.6 million dollars for Alcohol                                                                
                                 Fund revenue was utilized in the                                                               
                                 FY03 budget for existing services                                                            
4314 Mr. Jesse              Listed the reforming mandated treatment                                                             
                            consisting of five components of alcohol                                                            
                           fund package:                                                                                        
                              · Child protection                                                                                
                              · Adult Offenders                                                                                 
                              · Emergency Services                                                                              
                              · Youth/Juvenile Justice                                                                          
                              · Capital/Infrastructure                                                                        
      Representative        Questioned if the Trust had an inventory                                                            
      Stevens               of their properties and the present value                                                           
                            of those.                                                                                         
4141 STEPHEN PLANCHON,      Responded that a there was a detailed                                                               
      EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, inventory of where the parcels are                                                                    
      ALASKA MENTAL HEALTH located.  As a result of the settlement                                                              
      TRUST LAND OFFICE,    process, there was an extensive appraisal                                                           
      DEPARTMENT OF         process done for the bulk of the lands.                                                             
     NATURAL RESOURCES     As of today, there is not a complete                                                                 
                            inventory.                                                                                        
4018 Representative         Asked how long it would take to prepare                                                             
      Stevens               that information.                                                                                 
4000 Mr. Planchon           Noted that it would not be much different                                                           
                            that some of the Alaska Native                                                                      
                            Corporations who have concluded that it                                                             
                            would take a lot of time and a lot of                                                               
                            money.  The settlement clarified that the                                                           
                            Trust was not to take over the obligation                                                           
                            of the State in respect to funding Mental                                                           
                            Health programs.  The Trust does not have                                                           
                            the resources to take over the State's                                                            
                            funding requirements.                                                                             
 3834 Representative        Inquired if the Trust has been expanded                                                             
      Stoltze               since the inception of including mental                                                             
                            health.                                                                                           
 3811 Mr. Jesse             Explained that early on, the Trust went                                                             
                            through the entire State budget and                                                                 
                            determined what  should be allocated in a                                                           
                            separate appropriation bill.  Following                                                             
                            that discussion,  the concept of what was                                                           
                            under the Trust  has remained consistent.                                                         
 3747 Representative        Referenced the history of the Trust.                                                              
      Stoltze                                                                                                                   
 3725 Mr. Jesse             Advised that the beneficiaries have not                                                             
                            changed, but rather the methods of                                                                  
                            service.  He noted that home health care,                                                           
                            family supports, community based                                                                    
                            services, etc. have been added.  He                                                                 
                            conceded that the program had changed                                                               
                           dramatically.                                                                                      
 3635 Co-Chair Williams     Referenced a discussion he had with a                                                               
                            constituent regarding the method of                                                                 
                            timber sales involved  through the Trust.                                                         
 3550 Mr. Planchon          Confirmed that a bulk of the timber sales                                                           
                            had gone to an export market, however, he                                                           
                            noted that small mills in Alaska have                                                               
                            benefited from the sales.                                                                         
 3433 Mr. Page              Noted that the initial suit occurred when                                                           
                            the State forgot that the land was held                                                             
                            in 'trust'.  That had been overlooked.                                                              
                            The Trust's Fiduciary responsibility is                                                             
                            to safeguard the beneficiary's interests.                                                         
 3330 Representative Croft Followed up on previous comments that the                                                            
                            State would receive less money if it were                                                           
                            restricted for shipping out raw.                                                                  
 3310 Mr. Planchon          Confirmed that there was a significant                                                              
                            price difference  between the foreign and                                                           
                            domestic markets in timber.  He noted                                                               
                            that some of that  was based upon volume.                                                           
                            The domestic market is not able to                                                                  
                            accommodate the large quantities.  The                                                              
                            Forest Service sales included an export                                                             
                            ban.  The domestic sales would be a                                                                 
                            significant reduction in Trust income.                                                              
                            At present time, the timber revenue for                                                             
                            the Trust represents 50 percent of the                                                              
                            gross income.  The Trust attempts to                                                                
                            diversify the revenue sources.  Timber is                                                           
                            a faster resource to liquidate.  The                                                                
                            timber resource  will decline in the next                                                           
                            three years.                                                                                      
 3122 Representative Croft Asked if Alcoholism was considered a                                                                 
                            mental illness in 1955.                                                                           
3015 Mr. Jesse              Responded that the territorial                                                                      
                            authorities applied a 'blunt instrument'                                                            
                            that people with any kind of mental                                                                 
                            disabilities that fell back on the                                                                  
                            territorial government for their care                                                               
                            were considered as such.                                                                          
3004 Representative Croft  Asked if it was expanding the client base                                                            
                            or a more sophisticated way of talking                                                              
                            about the issues.                                                                                 
2940 Mr. Jesse              Stressed that the issue of prevention.                                                              
                            In some areas, the Trust has better                                                                 
                            strategies than the others.                                                                       
2928 Representative Croft Asked about HB 76.                                                                                  
2917 Mr. Jesse              Commented that HB 76 is the same                                                                    
                            situation as the general fund bill and                                                              
                            that the Trust was in consultation with                                                             
                            the Office of Management and Budget                                                                 
                            regarding the concern.                                                                            
2900 Representative Croft  Noted that it was the same funding as                                                                
                            last year.                                                                                        
2847 Mr. Jesse              Acknowledged that was correct.  He                                                                  
                            pointed out two more aspects of the                                                                 
                            Alcohol package.                                                                                    
                              · Evaluation - he noted that they were                                                            
                                 proposing that a significant amount                                                            
                                 of the money would be used for an                                                              
                                 ongoing, independent evaluation of                                                             
                                 the outcomes of the alcohol programs                                                           
                              · Workforce development - The State is                                                            
                                 not good at taking what is known                                                               
                                 nationally of what are the best                                                                
                                 practices and putting them into                                                                
                                 play.                                                                                        
2733 Mr. Jesse              Stated that partnering with the                                                                     
                            University of Alaska could play a key                                                               
                            role in all areas, which could benefit                                                              
                            the State.                                                                                        
2650 Mr. Younker            Addressed the success of the Mental                                                                 
                            Health Trust.  He admitted that the Trust                                                           
                            looks forward to working with the                                                                   
                            Legislature and the Administration.  He                                                             
                            concluded that the management of the                                                                
                            State's land continues to serve a wide                                                              
                            variety of needs throughout Alaska.                                                               
2453 Representative         Asked if the Trust had been subjected to                                                            
      Hawker                an independent audit.                                                                             
2427 Mr. Jesse              Replied that the Trust only participates                                                            
                            in the State audit.                                                                               
2416 Representative Croft  Asked for further information on the                                                                 
                            alcohol assessments and which programs                                                              
                            work.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                            ALASKA HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION                                                              
 2320 DAN FAUSKE,           Provided the Committee with a handout.                                                              
       EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, (Copy on File).  He noted that the                                                                   
      ALASKA HOUSING        mission of the Alaska Housing Finance                                                               
      FINANCE CORPORATION, Corporation (AHFC) was to provide                                                                    
      DEPARTMENT OF         Alaskans access to safe, quality,                                                                   
      REVENUE               affordable housing.                                                                               
 2227 Mr. Fauske            Explained that the: (Page 3)                                                                        
                               · Housing industry accounts for 24% of                                                           
                                 the gross State product                                                                        
                               · Expenditures for housing amounts to                                                            
                                 28% of the average Alaskan family's                                                            
                                 disposable income                                                                            
 2140 Co-Chair Harris       Asked if those numbers could be divided                                                             
                            between the rural and the urban.                                                                  
 2123 Mr. Fauske            Replied that those percentages were                                                                 
                            statewide.                                                                                        
 2111 Mr. Fauske            Referenced Page 4 - Operations:                                                                     
                               · Offers Home Loan programs                                                                      
                                 emphasizing housing for low and                                                                
                                 moderate income and rural residents;                                                           
                               · Administers statewide housing,                                                                 
                                 energy efficiency and weatherization                                                           
                                 programs;                                                                                      
                               · Operates the State's Public Housing;                                                           
                               · Assists in the statewide financing,                                                            
                                 development and sale of dwelling                                                               
                                 units.                                                                                       
 1958 Mr. Fauske            Page 5 - Special programs for low to                                                                
                            moderate income & rural residents:                                                                  
                               · Interest rate reduction for low-                                                               
                                 income borrowers;                                                                              
                               · Energy efficiency interest rate                                                                
                                 reduction;                                                                                     
                               · Rural Housing Assistance loan fund;                                                            
                               · Multi-family loans.                                                                            
                            He commented that the low interest rates                                                            
                            are 'fueling' the current robust market.                                                          
 1855 Representative        Inquired if those were residential loans.                                                         
      Hawker                                                                                                                    
 1826 Mr. Fauske            Replied that they were.                                                                             
                            Referenced Page 6 - Statewide housing,                                                              
                            energy efficiently and weatherization                                                               
                            programs. He explained that this was a                                                              
                            very successful programs and then listed                                                            
                            the items:                                                                                          
                               · L.I.H.T.C. Program                                                                             
                               · Senior & special needs housing                                                                 
                               · Statewide weatherization & energy                                                              
                                 programs                                                                                       
                               · Supplemental housing                                                                         
1702 Mr. Fauske             Page 7 - the Public Housing Division. He                                                            
                            noted that there would be a pilot program                                                           
                            taking place in Barrow and that it would                                                            
                            be administered through the federal                                                                 
                            government.  Mr. Fauske noted that there                                                            
                            are over 4,000 people on the wait list                                                              
                            for that program.                                                                                 
1600 Mr. Fauske             Page 8 - The Financing Programs.  Mr.                                                               
                            Fauske noted that the Veterans Mortgage                                                             
                            program was about to sunset.  The                                                                   
                            programs include:                                                                                   
                              · Tax-exempt first time homebuyer                                                                 
                                 program                                                                                        
                              · Veterans mortgage program                                                                       
                              · Taxable first time homebuyer program                                                            
                              · Taxable program                                                                               
1399 Representative         Inquired the rough number of veteran                                                                
     Stevens               loans that are out within the State.                                                               
1339 JOSEPH DUBLER, CHIEF Offered to provide that information. He                                                               
      FINANCIAL             estimated that there was roughly $300-                                                              
      OFFICER/FINANCE       $400 million dollars out.                                                                         
      DIRECTOR, ALASKA                                                                                                          
      HOUSING FINANCE                                                                                                           
      CORPORATION,                                                                                                              
      DEPARTMENT OF                                                                                                             
      REVENUE                                                                                                                   
1308 Representative         Questioned the amount of the AHFC                                                                   
      Stoltze               advertising budget.                                                                               
1255 Mr. Fauske             Replied that AHFC works with public                                                                 
                            awareness.  On the veteran's side, there                                                            
                            are public service announcements and no                                                             
                            voting restrictions have been violated.                                                             
                            He reminded members that AHFC is in a                                                               
                            competitive market and they want                                                                    
                            awareness 'out there' particularly                                                                  
                            regarding the taxable programs.  He                                                                 
                            reiterated that it is a competitive                                                                 
                            market and that AHFC is 'up against' the                                                            
                            commercial market.                                                                                
1155 Representative         Admitted that he was overly suspicious.                                                           
      Stoltze                                                                                                                   
1140 Mr. Fauske             Continued highlighting Page 8.                                                                    
1118 Mr. Fauske             Outlined Page 9 - the long-term debt                                                                
                            issuance process that emphasizes the                                                                
                            subjective nature of the rating agencies                                                            
                            review of capital adequacy.                                                                       
1050 Mr. Fauske             Referenced Page 10 - reiterated the                                                                 
                            rating criteria and requirements selected                                                           
                            excerpts emphasizing the subjective                                                                 
                            nature of the rating agency's' review of                                                            
                            capital adequacy.  AHFC is currently                                                                
                            rated as an AA-.  He hoped to receive an                                                          
                            AAA rating.  That would have an impact on                                                           
                            the cost of capital to the State.                                                                   
                            Currently, Alaska  has a positive image                                                             
                            and that frees up  the operating system                                                             
                            and lowers the capital to investors.  The                                                           
                            criteria is important  will become more                                                             
                            important in discussions within the                                                                 
                            Capitol budget.                                                                                   
 906 Mr. Fauske             Page 11 - Highlights the transfers to or                                                            
                            on behalf of the State General Fund from                                                            
                            1986-2002 percentages  in the amount of                                                             
                            $1,219,040.                                                                                       
 830 Mr. Fauske             Page 12 - Summary of AHFC equity, net                                                               
                            income, State appropriations and                                                                    
                            transfers to the State.                                                                           
 744 Representative Croft  Noted the difference between direct cash                                                             
                            transfers and dividends.   He asked the                                                             
                            distinction between those two.                                                                    
 715 Mr. Dubler             Replied that in 1990, AHFC began a                                                                  
                            dividend program, which included a cash                                                             
                            transfer for the dividend program.                                                                
 638 Representative Croft  Asked if it was ½ direct cash and ½                                                                  
                            taking over projects.  Mr. Dubler replied                                                           
                            that was correct.                                                                                 
 630 Mr. Fauske             Continued, referencing Page 12, the                                                                 
                            summary of AHFC equity, net income, State                                                           
                            appropriations and transfers to the                                                                 
                            State.                                                                                            
 608 Mr. Fauske             The rating agencies focus onto these                                                                
                            amounts.  He stated that it is important                                                            
                            to be careful with these plans.  The                                                                
                            plans must outline  what is foreseeable                                                             
                            with the future transfers within the                                                                
                            State.  Mr. Fauske  noted that he would                                                             
                            work with the Committee in order to                                                                 
                            formulate that plan.                                                                              
 422 Mr. Fauske             Page 13 - Summary of financial                                                                      
                            information.  From a business                                                                       
                            perspective, AFHC is satisfied with the                                                             
                            corporation's market share, however, he                                                             
                            pointed out the  drop in the investment                                                             
                            income.  The original base was based on                                                             
                            6% as an interest rate.  Currently, that                                                            
                            rate is at 1.2%.  That percentage falls                                                             
                            in line with interest  rates throughout                                                             
                            the country. AHFC does not now invest in                                                            
                            equities; all money loaned is short-term.                                                         
 226 Mr. Fauske             Discussed that these are trusted money                                                              
                            and they have no equity.                                                                          
 207 Representative         Asked the portion of the portfolio that                                                             
     Hawker                is on a fixed rate basis versus the                                                                  
                            variable rate base.                                                                               
142 Mr. Dubler              Replied that everything at this time, is                                                            
                            on the fixed rate loan scheme.                                                                    
127 Representative          Asked the average maturity rate on the                                                              
      Hawker                portfolio.                                                                                        
113 Mr. Fauske              Replied that the average loan in Alaska                                                             
                            is seven years.                                                                                   
54    Mr. Fauske            Referenced Page 14, the Short-Term                                                                  
                            Investment rates.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                            TAPE HFC 03 - 11, Side A                                                                        
020 Mr. Fauske              Continued, noting that the business of                                                              
                            AHFC is currently doing well.                                                                     
038 ADJOURNMENT             The meeting was adjourned at 3:15 P.M.                                                            
                                                                                                                                

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